The Formula for Greatness with Lt. Col. Dan Rooney

In this episode: 

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney graciously joins Christina to talk about his incredible journey so far. From going before he’s ready in as a Fighter Pilot to returning home humbled by his experience, find out how Lt. Col. Dan Rooney channeled his passion and purpose to create an extraordinary foundation and so much more. Do not miss this episode! 

Christina Lecuyer’s Bio:

Christina Lecuyer is a former Professional Golfer, a three-time reality television competitor, Confidence + Mindset Coach, Motivational Speaker, and Founder of Women with C.L.A.S.S. Mastermind, as well as Decide It’s Your Turn: Women’s Weekend. Christina’s mission in life is to empower people to fully live in their purpose, confidently and successfully! 

Lieutenant Colonel Dan Rooney’s Bio:

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney is founder and CEO of Folds of Honor, a military foundation that has provided nearly 30,000 educational scholarships, 41 percent to minorities, since its inception in 2007. Lt. Col. Rooney is a highly-decorated F-16 fighter pilot and has flown three combat tours in Iraq. He served as a motivational speaker for two US Ryder Cup Teams and is the only-ever fighter pilot/PGA Professional. His second book, Fly Into The Wind, is a bestseller and he hosts a Fox TV show by the same name. He is a frequent contributor to Fox News.

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Full Episode Transcript: 

Christina Lecuyer: Y’all I am unbelievably excited and nervous. This is probably the most nervous I’ve been for an interview so far in recording this podcast because I have the utmost respect for this man.

I met him a few years ago at a golf tournament that I was so graciously asked to do, and I ended up meeting this man, Mr. – or I shouldn’t even call you Mr. now! It was Major before, but Lieutenant Colonel Dan Rooney, I am so humbled that you said yes to be able to do this because your list of accolades is longer than most people’s. A grocery list of what you have accomplished in this world. But one thing that I know to be true about you before you go ahead and introduce yourself is you made me feel so special the day that I met you, you treat everyone exactly the same and that is one of the reasons why I respect the heck out of you, sir and super grateful. 

Like I said, I’m so nervous to have you. I haven’t been nervous interviewing anyone yet, but you are the founder of Folds of Honor, and the creator of American Dunes with Mr. Nicholas, you have written a book called Fly Into The Wind, which I have actually read a big percentage of so far and it is absolutely phenomenal and is very much what I preach day in and day out.You explain it so well. 

And I’ve had the honor of listening to you speak and you’ve done over a thousand motivational speeches. You are a two-time Ryder Cup, motivational speaker. Like I said, the laundry list goes on and on. So I’m just super grateful for you being here today. So thank you. 

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney: Hey! I’m blessed to be with you and this cold weather that we’re experiencing. And I’ll tell you what, when I sit down with somebody and have a beer or a cup of coffee, I’m not really concerned about what you do, we’ve achieved, but rather what you’ve overcome. And those are the things that impressed me most about individuals. So thanks for the nice introduction.

You never see what’s behind those bullet points that the world likes to put the bright light on. And that’s what I’m most proud of is that a resilient spirit, get in the fight every day, pretty much the same way really early. And I always say I’m generally the first one and the last one in the room.

And that is a good recipe for success in life. 

Christina Lecuyer: Well, that’s actually super interesting because one of the first places I met you, was it Kenny’s event, Ken Duke’s event? Was that where I met you first? 

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney: it was Ken Duke’s event. Yep!

Christina Lecuyer: Yeah, Ken Duke’s event about three years ago in Florida. And it’s true. We were in the gym together and we were there with former President Obama. You were in the room, it was like this awkward situation. We’re just like, okay, all the things, but yeah. And then I had coffee with you one day and you just were so kind to me and I went out and did a couple of your events over in California.

It was such an honor, but you told me the story obviously about Folds of Honor, but for those who don’t know, that’s obviously your big thing in this world. The biggest impact that I think that you’ve made so far is over $140 million donated to family members who have lost their spouses or fathers, mothers or fathers in the military, in action.

And you are an F-16 fighter pilot, you’re a PGA Tour member, you are creating American Dunes Golf Course. You’re sitting at the Patriot Golf Course in Oklahoma. And then, like you said, you have written that book. And I love the fact that you talked about when you were interviewing so many people you talked about it’s not what they’ve accomplished, but what they’ve overcome.

And that I watched a few of the episodes on Fox Nation, and that’s really what you dove into with all of those celebrities. And I loved it so much. 

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney: Yeah, I think that’s the common ground, right, is human suffering and will be defined every day by what we do when it doesn’t go our way, period.

And that’s going to happen multiple times every day. And when you can embrace that, we call it “embrace the suck” in the Air Force fighter pilot world. But we can embrace that fact that you’re going to Fly Into The Wind and that’s the title of my new book and the reason it is that is because every time we get in the most powerful jet in the world.

One of them, the F-16, we take off into the wind because we need resistance to ascend and our lives are no different. And so often in life, people meet resistance and they meet challenges and they quit, right? And they’re like, “Oh man, why me? This is too hard. It’ll never work.” And the one DNA I think that the thread of DNA that ties together greatness is the people you admire in life, they have engineered a resilient spirit and they get it right. It’s not supposed to be easy. You’re not supposed to be happy all the time. You’re supposed to take the talents, whatever they are. The ultimate accountability, I think we’ll all face is you’ve been given time, you’ve been given talent.

We’re here today. What did you do with that to have a positive impact on the world, the people around you and becoming the best version of yourself and fighting tooth and nail every day? I would say it’s the paradox of life, it’s you against you at the end of the day, right? 

You’re blessed. You’ve got a great husband. I got a great wife. I got five kids. I have a wonderful support structure around me, but at the end of the day, it’s it is you come into this world by yourself. You will leave this world by yourself. And you only know what’s in your heart. And I think it’s a challenge every day.

I was just talking to my really good friend, Seth. He’s the CEO of the PGA of America. Last week we had dinner and it’s like, man, I work everyday to stoke the fire in my heart. Right. And it is not easy. And you know how that fired up you get up some days and it’s just barely out and you gotta poke it.

And the fire starts going again. And it’s just the game that you got to play and it’s hard to stay at it every day, to stay motivated every day. But that is my first prayer, I’m a very spiritual person. I pray about 30 minutes a day as part of my routine. But my first prayer waking up every day, feet hitting the floor, bleary-eyed, I don’t want to get out of bed, is man, just give me the energy and let me be an open vessel, ignore myself and let’s go get it. 

And it’s just, I get God chills when I say it. Right. It’s just at some point, I think to really manifest the best version of yourself, you have to let yourself go. And in this world that is so myopic and it’s my Instagram, it’s my brand. It’s this. It’s that. 

I tell people the more you can get away from yourself, the happier you are going to be and the more fulfilled you’re going to be and the more open that you’ll be to walking the walk that God wants you to walk. 

Christina Lecuyer: Mm. I love that so much. Yeah. That was one of the first things that I definitely noticed about you, you even said, “I’m just a broken” – What is the line that you always use? 

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney: I’m just the broken vessel. Yeah, man, open guy. Right. But look at the disciples, not compare myself to one, but I’m comparing myself to the ilk when Jesus picked these 12 dudes, man, they were just broken average guys and we can all do extraordinary things.

And I think when you’re broken and you realize that you have the humility to go out there and do things. And we look at our former president and whether you agree with his policies or not, I don’t care, but the thing that he did not do well is, it was just his ego, right. I mean, he’s just so arrogant and you have to be right.

And that is so huge, I talk about peracetic drag in my book. But the stuff that holds you down and does not allow you to be successful in life comes in all different forms. But you know, a great example I would say, I run the other guard rail of president Trump is I’ll be the first guy to be like, Hey man, I’m heartbroken. I’m trying to fight everyday to be the best version of myself. And I walk into the room assuming that I’m wrong. I’m the dumbest guy in the room. And when you have a lens like that, I think that translates perfectly, but the humility and especially for me, I guess if I’d get maybe one strength, that’s bringing people together.

If you looked at a common thread on whatever my resume is, it’s unifying people. And I think to bring people together and unify people for something bigger than ourselves, you have to come at it with a humble heart 

Christina Lecuyer: And how you’ve brought people together, I’d love for people, if they don’t know what Folds of Honor is, I think that’s actually one of the ways that you’ve been able to do what you’ve been able to do with Folds of Honor, so well in the fact that you bring amazing people together who want to support such a phenomenal cause, over 29,000 scholarships, over $140 million. So tell people what exactly Folds of Honor is and how they can be a part of it. And I think that that’s really, really important. And then we’ll definitely dive into the book for a second, too. 

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney: Yeah. So I’ll dive into the book to tell you the Fold’s stories. So in the book, there are 10 lines of effort. Eloise is what we call them as his fighter pilots. Basically 10 things that I do every single day without fail, right? So I’ve engineered a life of fulfillment, regardless if I get my butt kicked on that day, if I’m happy, if I’m sad, those are emotions, I can’t control them, but I will execute my game plan, I would say, virtually without fail, 365 days a year. And one of those lines of effort is called service before self.

And it’s a fighter pilot core value, service before self. But you cannot find fulfillment if you are not dedicating a percentage of your life to serve others. My life is unique. I have this vocation, right. And I wake up everyday and I was like, Hey man, I’m so blessed because I get to combine who I am with what I do on multiple fronts, but for Folds, and I’m not saying you have to go out and start a nonprofit and you have to give up your job and do all this and go be a do gooder, but you have to have something on your calendar each and every day that you are serving someone else. 

And that could be your spouse. That can be your kids. That can be charity work. 

But for me, service before self changed everything in my life in the absolute best possible way. I would say there’s this incredible irony that I unlocked and I try to share with everybody that when you reach out to help someone, you’re actually the one being helped.

So if you want to get better, do something for somebody else, it is biblical and it works and it fills your soul up in a way that nothing will ever do in your bank account or the car you drive or the likes on your social media posts, whatever it is. So Folds of Honor for me, I call them moments of synchronicity or chance for the purpose of God puts things in your path.

And the story of Folds is really the thing that lives in people’s hearts and minds and has been retold over and over, over the last 13 years. But, I’d gotten back from my second tour of duty in Iraq. I’m on a commercial airline flight going from Chicago O’Hare to Grand Rapids, Michigan. My other job as a PGA club bro.

And it’s one of these dark crappy, delayed nights. I’d gone from Budweiser to coffee and finally got on the flight. And as I walked through first class, I saw a corporal in dress army greens. Don’t think much of it, press on back to coach about an hour and a half later, we’d land in Grand Rapids, Michigan as the captain is pulling up to the gate, he announces that we’re carrying the remains of Corporal Brock Bucklin who had been killed in Iraq and his identical twin brother, Corporal Brad Bucklin is in first-class and has brought him home. And a captain makes another request that everybody stay in their seats until Brock’s remains and removed from the right cargo hold.

And you know, it was a fighter pilot of three combat tours in Iraq. I’ve certainly seen horrible stuff that is with me for life, right? But I’d never seen this side of war. And I watched his family on the darkest night of their lives, including Brock’s four-year-old son, as he’s watching his dad’s American flag-draped coffin inch down the cargo ramp.

You just can’t help but think, what if that was me? Right? And I’ve got five daughters and the finality hit me in that moment like it never had over the skies of Iraq. 

And so the ceremony finished itself up and I stand up only to see that more than half the people had gotten off the plane, despite the captain’s request and I spiral into this just dark, angry, disappointed, like really, this is what our country is? This is what I fight for? These people are going home to sleep under the blanket of freedom that Brock just gave his life for and they can’t sit on a plane for 30 minutes with reverence to honor his sacrifice. And I was saying in that moment, I felt God’s hand on my shoulder. And he called me on this crazy mission called Folds of Honor.

And, we started above our garage here in Tulsa, Oklahoma with nothing. I mean, no money, no platform, zero and just me and my computer sitting there. And I wrote down on a piece of paper or our mission, which was honor the sacrifice, educate the legacy. 

Day one. We’ve never wavered, stayed so true to that. And, to your point, you mentioned that we got 29,000 recipients. $140 million out the door. 

Really cool stat, too. We look at all the racial unrest in our country this year and this fight for equality. 41% of our recipients are minorities and I’m a firm believer. It was like we can all point fingers.

We can burn things down, we can fight each other, but until you educate minorities in this country, there is no lasting bridge to equality. And we’re really proud that Folds of Honor is in that fight. And it’s making a difference on that front. So for people that are interested, it’s

They can go out there and join our squadron as we say. Make a donation to send a spouse or a child who’s had a loved one killed or disabled to school.

It is an easy way to say thank you for our freedoms. And you’ve been an awesome supporter coming out to our golf events that we have across the country. And it’s a real blessing to get to lead that mission, Folds of Honor.

Christina Lecuyer: Hmm. I love it so much. And I’m just super grateful anytime that I can be a part of it.

I know that you guys have a big event. Patriot, where you sit right now up in Tulsa and now American dunes, which is grand opening May 2nd!

Mr. Nicholas is a big part of that. The day, I got your photo with Mr. Nicholas and got your photo with Mr. Rooney. I mean, my God, what a day that I had over in Palm that day.

So tell us a little bit about that golf course. 

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney: So I’ve said this, this will be the third time. I’ve said this in our time together. But combining what you do with who you are is, that’s like the peak experience in life. And that is my personal job description. That is at the top of it.

It’s not a big list of things. Is what I’m doing congruent with who I am? And it takes a lot of courage to number one, introspection, intentional introspection to figure out what that is, who are you, and then combining what you do with who you are. And so this American Dune story is just awesome, right? 

Like most things, and I share this with people who are struggling. I’ve had great challenge in my life. American Dunes was born as a struggle, man. This thing is from the ashes. So, the significance of the Old Grand Haven Golf Club, which will be American Dunes starting May 2nd.

It was my family’s golf course for 20 years. The golf course is struggling. It’s not gonna make it, but it’s where Folds of Honor started, right? So we had our first golf tournament there and 67 people showed up and raised $8,500. And that is sentimental. And I’m a huge spiritual person that there are certain things that matter in life and there’s a lot of stuff we spend time on it that doesn’t. 

And so I went on this crusade to save it and reinvent it into something that had staying power. And so my hail Mary pass was to Mr. Nicholas and got a meeting with him down at the Bear’s Club. And I explained to him that I wanted to build a golf course that was a cathedral to what matters most in the game. And that is our country, the game of golf, Folds of Honor, and the Nicholas legacy and I wanted to call it American Dunes. But I needed him to design it. And he gave me a hard time. He was like, I’m not doing a lot of design work.

My fee is 3 million bucks, blah, blah, blah. And he was like, but I would never say no to you, those eyes, that Jackass. And he said, man, I love this crazy idea. Let’s go do it. 

So over the last three years, we’ve been flying into the wind and I put together my friends and he put together some of his friends and this place is going to be like a spaceship landing in golf.

Unbelievable. Nothing’s ever been done like it because it is a golf course built around a cause. And golf is like the fifth thing that is important on the list. As golfers it, man, this thing is wickedly rare air. It is going to take its place at the top of the echelon ranking wise. I mean, we’ve had people out to preview it cause it’s been ready since last fall. We were not going to open it during COVID and all this crap going on. So we waited to open it May 2nd. 

And the golf is insane. It’s in the sand dunes along Lake Michigan. It’s got twice the relative elevation of Pine Valley. It’s just so special. 

And Jack spent so much time. He made nine site visits. So he makes two for a Nicholas signature design. He usually makes two. And Barbara would say, the plans lived on our kitchen table. I mean, this is his legacy and work and so yeah, we’re really excited to open May 2nd.

 I’ll share just a couple unique things about it and we can change subjects here, but the only way in and out of the property is through the Folds of Honor Memorial.

And, so you’ll drop your bag and it’s walk in, no golf bags allowed in the Memorial, this kind of stuff, but you cause it’s so reverent. But you’ll walk in and it’s a nine foot open-air tunnel that flanks you on either side. And you’re actually walking in the boot prints of soldiers who’ve been killed in action and their stories and their family’s stories who were Folds of Honor recipients flanked the walls as you go into this place. 

And I always say, when, you know, you walk into a church, no one has to tell you to lower your voice. This place is just wildly powerful. It’s the only golf course in America that has an American flag in play. So we have a local rule. It’s an 85-foot American flag that took us about two weeks to actually erect and then cement and everything else that had to go into this thing. 

And it’s in between the 10th and 9th fairway, totally in play. And it was completely intentional. We talked to the USGA and all of this and it was like, this is who we are, right. And it’s the candle on the cake that wits in the middle of this thing.

And, every night we will retreat the flag at sunset plus 30 minutes. So 30 minutes after sunset and we’ll play the national Anthem on the site and the bar’s full. But those are these awesome traditions that we will have there. And every hole out there has one of Jack’s majors, it honors a soldier who’s been killed in action.

And there’s families that Folds of Honor recipients and it has scripture on it. I mean, this place is a cathedral to golf and I’m just so excited that we’re almost there. And, as I look back, the thing I’m most proud of is what we’ve overcome. I mean, from the ashes, this place is risen by God’s grace and you know, a lot of hard work. So I’m very excited to host you up there. 

Christina Lecuyer: God, I get chills just thinking about it. Just so everyone who’s listening, if they themselves or their spouses it’s, it’s a public golf course. 

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney: Oh yeah. It is for the people by the people. And everything we do is built to raise awareness and money for Folds. It all goes back to the foundation.

So we’ve just been so blessed with the partners, from Jack to Anheuser-Busch to Titleist to Buschnell to Toro to, I mean, it’s just on and on. All these people have come in and joined our coalition of awesome to build American Dunes and that website to people can check it out is or you could Google American Dunes. I mean, it is everywhere out there already. 

Christina Lecuyer: Amazing. Yeah, we’ll definitely be sure to put that in the show notes. You know, obviously the name of this podcast is called Decide It’s Your Turn. And I always believe that there’s always a decision and then there’s action.

And one thing that you talk about quite a bit is going before you’re ready and the action it takes to make a decision and then decide to do something. Not always is everyone ready to do something. And I think that that’s one thing, even with this golf course, I’m sure you were just taking some massive action and throwing things to the wall and seeing what stuck.

And I think a lot of the things that you’ve done in your career are probably like that. And look at all you’ve done for this world. 

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney: Yeah. So, I’ll tell you my go-before-you’re-ready story. So this is a massive epiphany with God in my life. So you go through your training as a fighter pilot, and it’s two and a half years long and only 4.8% of the people will successfully complete it.

Government spends about $6 million per pilot to train us. So you just started out, we’ve got 45 people in a room. You can do the math on that. Two and a half or three people are going to make it. And this is the smartest, brightest, most athletic dudes you’ve ever met. Again, by the grace of God did I make it.  So when you get to the F-16, you get four rides with an instructor and your fifth ride is solo and or you wash out of the program if you’re not ready to go solo. And so I’m sitting there and I’m strapped in this $45 million fighter jet that flies two and a half times the speed of sound, goes zero to 50,000 feet in under a minute.

And I’m literally literally looking around and I know what like half the buttons and switches do and they’re like, you don’t need to worry about that. You’re not ready to kill anybody. You’re just learning how to fly it right now. But I’m like, Holy crap. I cannot believe I’m sitting here. And so you got to go, right?

So I go, I fly and we have an instructor pilot to send an F-16 right next to you that flies in close formation. But at the end of the day, I mean, you’re by yourself and you’re in charge of your takeoffs and landings matching in a one-to-one ratio and anything that could go wrong in the process with this machine.

And so, anyway, obviously we’re here talking, so I successfully completed that flight and I’ll never forget though. I came back and it’s like July in Phoenix. And I pull into the chocks and I shut the F-16 down and I raise up the canopy and it feels like I get hit with this cold blast of air and it’s like 120 degrees out.

And that’s when you realize like your body was in this total fight or flight mode this entire time, hyper-focused, and this breeze hits me. I get this wash over me and it is from God. And he was like, Hey. Always have faith. If you go before you’re ready, I am always with you. And it completely changed my life.

And this relationship with this concept that I talk about in the book, go before you’re ready is just my ethos. And it’s like, I don’t run away from it. I run toward it. These moments and the crazier the moment, the faster I am running. And it’s not about me. It’s this ultimate affirmation of your connection and trust in God.

It was like, dude, this will never work. Hell yes. Let’s kick the tires. Like the fire. Let’s go before we’re ready. And the bigger and crazier and scarier the idea is, it’s just so empowering and again, it’s a spiritual relationship with God, first and foremost, but it’s the ultimate demonstration of what I feel as faith, right? It’s like, man, you put this in my heart. There is no way this is going to work, but let’s go. And it is from that moment, but it’s everything that started Folds of Honor, go before you’re ready. 

I had NO IDEA what I was doing. I mean, I have no money. I’ve never run a nonprofit, never been involved with a nonprofit and 13 years later, again, by the grace of God, we’ve got the largest education military foundation in the world and have amazing partners and are doing incredible work. American Dunes. Who in their right mind is going to call up Jack Nicholas and go sit down and say, Hey, Mr. Nicholas, I’ve got an idea right, called American Dunes. And he just smiled. And his words were, I love your crazy idea. But you know, to take that to distill it down to advice is man, don’t plan your life away. This is a wickedly short journey and the thing that you and I have in common and the world has in common is we’ll hang up our podcast here and, you know, seven or eight minutes.

And we’re going to wake up ten years later and be like, where in the heck did the time go? There is no speed break for life. It is going at a fever pitch. So for God’s sake, go before you’re ready. Get out there, have reckless faith, chase, every crazy dream. You will never regret it in your life. 

Christina Lecuyer: Hm. I love that so much. I just think it’s truly amazing. I think I probably don’t do it to the level in which you do, which has definitely inspired me to go bigger. But I do believe that. You have to decide, you have to take massive action. And then you have to have that unwavering faith that if you do your part, God will do his part.

And I just truly do believe that because there’s no reason why I should be doing a podcast with you. There’s no reason why all of the things that you’ve accomplished, you have been able to do so – it’s just because you were willing to go before you were ready and have unwavering faith.

And then obviously all of the lines of effort that you do 365 days a year have got you where you are. And so I’m super grateful that I’ve known you. I’m super grateful to call you a friend and you saying yes to this and impacting so many people. And I’m so blessed. I feel so honored. So thank you so much.

I know that you have, so many more of these to do. I always ask my guests one last question. Is there ever a moment or a decision that you were afraid to make that once you did, it was the best decision ever, or if you made the decision that it didn’t come out the way that you expected, what lesson did you learn?

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney: Yeah. So, first part of that question. Absolutely. I almost didn’t go to be a fighter pilot. So I made it through all the training and I look back at this 24 year old. And the crazy thing was that the reason I almost didn’t do it is because I was afraid to fail. And I had been successful up until that point.

And I don’t know. I had gone off and played golf at the University of Kansas and played against Tiger Woods and knocked him off a couple of times in the USA and all this stuff. It’s a round of golf. It’s not that big a deal, but I was this golden hand kid out of Stillwater, Oklahoma, and married the prettiest girl at the University of Kansas.

And I created this no fail kind of personality and was terrified of failure and that drove me in and I almost didn’t go because I was afraid and I had fast forward. I was like, what happens if I don’t make it through this program? And I got to come back and say, I washed out.

I mean how devastating that would have been to my fragile 24-year-old ego. And I thank God that he helped me push through that. Nothing would have manifested itself in my life the way it has today. Cause I’m not a fighter pilot, I’m not a golf pro.

It’s such a unique pulpit to preach from. And people respect that at some level and it’s opened doors for me. So that, for sure, would be the answer there. 

And, so the next answer, so I love this. So my priest taught me this term, Father John Slampack. He passed away a few years ago.

So he calls it O Felix culpa, which is Latin for happy fault. How many times in your life did you want something to work out one way? It falls apart only to turn out better in another way. And I get O Felix culpas like every day. And recognizing this divine spirit in your life and understanding that, hey, we can’t control the outcomes. 

And back to another guy that’s not with me anymore. Ross Randomhill, my college golf coach. It was like the best offers in the world. They’d try their ass off, but at the end of the day, they don’t give it again and translated, we can control the process. We cannot control the outcome. Let let go of that outcome and American Dunes is a perfect example. If my desire was to say the Grand Haven Golf Club would continue to exist and it’s this great little place and Oh my gosh, I can’t believe this is falling apart. Why God is this, is this happening? And O Felix culpa, thank God.

It crashed and burned and it was crashing and burning like two engines on fire. Oh my gosh. I’m a guarantee on the loan. I’m going to lose my house. I mean, I’ve written this story so many times but if I hadn’t been so desperate, I would’ve never thrown a hail Mary to Jack Nicholas and look what happens.

So these O Felix culpa moments, they’re all around us and always understand it. And that God sees the big plan. We see the near rock in front of us and just  not getting so fired up when it’s like, why is this not working the way I want it to work? Right? 

Christina Lecuyer: I love it. I love it so so much. I am so unbelievably grateful that you took the time out of your busy schedule to do this. I know that so many people got so much for it and from it and I cannot wait to get up to American Dunes, sir. I think it’s going to be amazing. Congratulations. I loved it so much. 

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney: And my final parting shot is, people listening, get the book Flying Into the Wind. You can get it anywhere. I mean, you Google it. It’s amazing. 

Christina Lecuyer: Don’t worry. We will put it everywhere. Show notes, all the things, all that.

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney: And I’m not saying go get the book for myself at all. I’m saying, go get the book for yourself. The testimonials, whether it is from Shane Alexander, who’s on the way to the International Space Station in April that hit me up and said this book changed my life.

Christina Lecuyer: Yeah, like everyone in my community knows, everyone who’s ever listened to this podcast knows that my biggest home run of an interview would be Lt. Col. Dan Rooney. And I saw when your team said to me, Danica Patrick was like the number one. I was like, of course she is. I love it so, so much there, every person of such high integrity, it was a chief so much, has said that this book is amazing.

And I totally agree with you. Everything that you say, I’m just like, yes, absolutely. You’re saying it in a completely different way. And I, a hundred percent, believe that my community, every single person who listens to this podcast needs to read this book because it has all the lines of effort as you call them that created a truly magical life of impact.

Lt. Col. Dan Rooney: Yeah, amen to that. So, thank you for supporting Folds. Thank you for having me on. Can’t wait to see ya at American Dunes and let’s just pray that God continues to watch over everybody. We’re going to get on the other side of this COVID craziness and get back into the fight.

Christina Lecuyer: Amen. Stay safe, sir. I appreciate you so, so much.